in the next election, we either keep electing those people, we do not, or we pushed them to change the rules of the game so it is not as hard to get things done. host: we are talking with stan collender, national director with corvis communications and a former staffer for a number of members of the house and center. we're also talking with josh gordon. up next is shelleyguest: some or problems that we have is we keep electing senators and congressman who are not economists and they really know nothing about the economy but they do know about beagle finagling. making more policy to fix policies that wind up causing more problems in the first place. no. 2, we have so many in the media that cannot understand the issues at the core. until we come to grapple with this, we do not educate the people, spending is indeed the problem. payne will come, really, number one, by spurring job creation. you are taking out a dollar towards someone else is doing a job. saying things like capitalism is against the poor, but capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other system in the wo